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Daniel T 16:28, 24 Aug 2007 (PDT)
Is this really what I should expect?
No levels, no curves, no picks, no ratings, no color, no noise reduction, no sharpening, no crop, no rotate, and terrible color rendition?
RSP default output
Converted to LR, default output
The RSP vibrance tool usually needed 1 or 2, maybe 3 at the extreme. Ir was rescaled in LR so that 100 is the equivalent of about the old 3 or 4. I cranked Vibrance up to about 70 in LR and the shot is comperable. The conversion program kept it at 3.
Please tell me I'm doing something wrong.
If that's it, I'm starting thousands of images from scratch. &(*(*&^%^)*&
Thanks for adding the link to my migration software to the page.
I'm however quite surprised that so much data is not taken into account during migration given the tool has a 6 months delay...
rws2xmp does not detect active rws-tab
I use(d) RSP to correct underwater images (taken without flash). These images loose lots of red and green (depending on depth), and need large but precise corrections. My routine in RSP was to create the first tab as original (uncorrected), and create 1 or more tabs with different color corrections, vibrance, sharpening, etc. When I follow the rws2xmp procedure, nothing seems to happen. All images in Lightroom seem to be uncorrected (as in the first tab). It looks like only the first tab is read as reference for the migration. This does not work very well. Any of the tabs could be the one choosen as final (except first tab in my case). RSP marks the active tab in the rws file.
Could you please change the tool so it too recognize the active tab and use that one as reference for migration? I do like Lightroom, but would not be very happy having to spend the considerable time I already used all over again. I hope the rws2xmp tool will be able to handle extreme corrections needed for underwater images and produce results comparable to RSP.
regards, Ruud Hoogers
No XMP files created?
I have several thousand EOS 20D raw files that I have processed with RSP. I created a new LR (1.1) catalog, imported the images (in place) then selected all the images and did Metadata->Save Metadata to File, then exited LR. I then ran the migration tool, selected the folder containing the images, the selected migrate. Next, I ran the RWS to XMP Migration tool from ItraSoft Labs to migrate ratings, etc into the XMP files. Finally I launched LR again, selected all the images again and did Metadata ->Read Metadata from File. After this completed, I began examining the images and found the none of them seemed to have any changes. I also checked for the keywords that should have been created by the ItraSoft Labs tool, they did not exist either. After this failure I removed all the images from the catalog, re-imported a single folder of approximately 30 images I had processed with RSP, selected all the images again did Metadata->Save Metadata to File. This time I looked in Windows Explorer in the same folder as the raw (.CR2) files, and discovered that no .XMP files were there. Are the .XMP files stored somewhere else (I searched and couldn't find them)? Otherwise, why would LR not create any XMP files?
--vbnut 22:50, 27 Aug 2007 (PDT)
Advice
Hi and thanks for reporting the problems. At the time I created the rws2xmp tool (NOT official) there was no Adobe migrator available so I du not know what happens with the XMP files when the Adobe migrator updates them !
I advise you to use my tool first (rws2xmp by IstraSoft Labs) and apply the Adobe tool AFTERWARDS. Should normally work better this way as I tested the tool with the XMP files exported from LR without any modification.
Hope this helps !
And for Ruud Hoogers, rws2xmp is NOT the Adobe tool that migrates the development settings, it's my unofficial tool used to migrate only ratings and flags and the star ;)
Solved-No XMP files created, but RSP snapshots not recognized
I figured out how to work around the problem that LR would not create any XMP files when I did Metadata->Save Metadata to File. My work around is to add a keyword to all the images when importing. Apparent LR won't create the XMP file if it doesn't think any changes have been made to the image.
Unfortunately, now I am running into a similar problem as Ruud Hoogers described. My workflow in RSP Is to create a snapshot after each set of corrections so that I can see the progression of my changes. I typically end up with five more more snapshots for each image. Snapshot "1" is the original, unedited image. I then have snapshots after adjusting white balance and exposure, after adjusting shadow and hightlight contrast, after adding vibrance, and after adding sharpness. It appears that the Adobe/Pixmantic migration tool migrates the settings from the first snapshot, which in my case is the original unedited photo. It does copy the crop settings, so what I end up with in LR is a cropped image with none of my other RSP adjustments. Is there any possibility that the tool could be updated to copy all the snapshots and the adjustments in each snapshot from RSP to LR? --vbnut 22:27, 4 Sep 2007 (PDT)
The Migration Tool is unusable
This is a copy of my post in the LR forum:
Because I really archive all my pictures as raw data with the appropriate develop settings, it is very important for me to take over the RSP settings. Maybe latest with a next PC-generation, RSP will not run any longer. Therefore, I would like to migrate them into LR. So I appreciated the migration tool. It is clear, that the tool cannot migrate all settings of RSP, but it is still far away from similar settings planned. Probably, Michael Johnson was not involved in development, because the actual tool cannot be used in the expected way.
Some examples:
- Cropping: correct conversion in some pictures
- in many pictures no conversion
- in some pictures wrong conversion (too low, in the middle of the face instead above).
For the not converted pictures, the problem is probably lying in the LR. I assume, it happens in pictures, where the right cropping rectangle (correct RSP) is outside of the picture rectangle.(RSP brings some more pixel.) This should be tested and corrected. (reduction of the cropping rectangle about the necessary pixel).
The white balance is not converted satisfactorily. For example, a manual white balance of the WhiBal card is converted from RSP 5000/-2 into LR as 4500/-2. The correct and therefore visually corresponding manual white balance in LR would be 5200/+4! It seems that the tint setting is just been taken over, which results in a greenish tint. In all my pictures (Canon 20D) the correct tint value (manual setting with a WhiBal card) of LR is always about 4 to 6 values higher than in the RSP.
The RSP vibrance setting should be multiplied by factor 3 to 5 for a visually equivalent LR setting.
There should be a flag for the Color Engine. Because the Color Engine, that is used by most of the people, delivers more saturated colors, the saturation (and vibrance) settings should be converted with a higher factor.
A negative value for RSP "Highlight contrast" should be migrated as LR Recovery setting.
The LR contrast remains wheter on the default setting or is set to 0. I really cannot understand why the contrast has to be set to 0 (very strange). The very important RSP setting "Shadow contrast" is not taken into account at all! Consequently, there are many pictures in RSP with a high contrast, which after migration into LR have a lower or no contrast. They look totally different (dull)! It should be possible to map the RSP shadow contrast to the LR settings Darks and Shadows of the tone curve to get similar pictures.
The RSP tone curve and the level settings remains unrecognized. In my opinion, it should be no problem to migrate a typical tone curve nearest: The maximum and minimum values of the zones (highlights, lights, dark and shadows) could be analyzed and migrated into the appropriate LR parameter values. With that satisfactorily results could be reached for typical (positive and negative) s-curves.
RSP level settings could be converted as additional exposure and blacks corrections in order to produce similar pictures.
Overall, the migration tool is insufficient and unprofessional. It provides the impression, that it was developed facile only to deliver something as promised.
Finally, I would like to point out that it was not in my mind to only criticize your work. I really hope you can use my ideas to improve the tool.
Crop/Rotation rarely works properly
My Crop/Rotation results:
- Landscape photo / Landscape crop / No rotation: Seems to work properly.
- Landscape photo / Landscape crop / Rotation: Crop improperly sized.
- Portrait photo / Landscape crop / No rotation: Crop has wrong orientation and wrong location.
- There really is not much point collecting more data. Whoever did the crop/rotation conversions clearly is not up to the task.
This really surprising since the RawShooter developers now work for Adobe. Maybe they might spend a few minutes on this...
- gplaw47 17:11, 25 Sep 2007 (PDT)
